Eldest son claims dead father was a Muslim.
This site talks bout it.
The family.
The related.
Now, this does not really sound interesting, but when you read the part that people are just waiting to take the body away to be buried in Muslim style or other styles then the memories start jerking back in.
First was an Indian, now Chinese, next may be still Chinese but then could be Christian, Taoist, Japanese, or whatever. Now don’t get me wrong here, it’s just a matter of mere words and phrases, not stirring up a riot, but just seeing things a little into the future, the very near future, let’s say next week.
I have nothing to say, for my voice is not loud and I have lost my voice for all my yelling goes unheard. However I find some of the following interesting and may be, they could be your voice…
written by datnari, January 21, 2008 | 10:14:39
Here we go again…another dumbf**k body-snatching case by the guardians…err….errr….i mean by the SATANS of islam.
When will they ever learn that religion is a personal thing and not given to the UMNO dogs by Allah?
The oldest brother, being a faggot, wants to inherit all the old man’s assets and estate from the other 8 siblings and as usual islam is a scapegoat that caters for every damn thing out of convenience sake. The eldest faggot brother doesn’t even have the balls to show up for the funeral….tu nah seng!!!
Hope the chinese will rise up and kick the islamic authorities arse all the way to the cemetery.
Alternatively, as i’ve said before, plant some C4 into the old man’s body and let it off when the jakim bastards are about to bury him. At least there will be less bastards in the world. And after that we can see if the so-called authorities have the balls to snatch another body.
written by Sutha, January 21, 2008 | 12:36:47
Where was this reptile all these while? In Seremban, lor. Now living in Phase 7 Taman Bukit Kepayang. He became a muslim as he was working in a malay bank and surrounded by them only.
One sunday morning when we were climbing a nearby hill for exercise, he told me that he converted not because of a woman as commonly the case, but both his wife and he are chinese who decided to take the new faith. And that he had been accepted by his colleagues as a brother.
I said ” Good, just follow your heart”
He said the religion gave him a lot of peace and truth compared to the religion he was born in to. I admitted to him understanding what he meant by peace and also said that I should not be questioning him on how he verified those were truth without cyclically making reference to own books.
“Anyway, good for you and your wife” I told him.
The last straw was when he condemned his former religion (which happens to be mine too) and suggested that I can convert and he could assist. I replied that I was comfortable with Buddhism and there was no need to do so. I also asked if he had read any books on his former religion or talked to any knowlegeable monk and his answer was an unexpected “No”.
Ever since, he passes me by without a smile nor a even “Hi”. That’s this lizard, who had been mentally drilled to put further grief to the widow mother and the family. I cannot tell for sure if his action is for assets, if any, or for gaining credit points to reach his afterlife Paradiseland.
This is the love for parents and siblings of a different faith, as promoted by some weird arab tribal culture. Yet, they say heaven is at the feet of the mother. Niammeh..
written by Bandit, January 21, 2008 | 13:41:47
“It seems that JAKIM/JAIS needs to re-look at it’s database. According to them, everyone is Muslim”
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According to Islam, every human is born a Muslim. Its just that we have strayed and become “unbelievers” because our parents did not practice islam and were unbelievers. Muslims refer to those who accept Islam as “reverts” and not coverts. Is a very chauvinist term. Reading this you will understand what muslims think of non muslims.:-
“Everyone is born a Muslim, whether they are born in a Muslim home or a non-Muslim home.
The souls of every human being are sent to this Earth as Muslims, it is only through the teaching of their families and surrounding that they may choose another religion.
In Islam we are told that children are innocent and not held accountable for their actions all the way up to the age of puberty.
So if they were to God forbid somehow die, they would die as Muslims and be admitted to Paradise.
All of the early Muslims including the companions and wives of the Prophet Mohammed were reverts to Islam.
Even at a later age when a person embraces Islam, all their previous sins are forgiven and for all the good deeds they may have done, each one is multiplied ten folds over and they are given good deeds in its place.
Once a person enters Islam they are like a new born baby, free of all sins. ”
Which means Mother Theresa who spend her whole life helping others has gone to hell because she was a non muslim. Make any sense?
written by Malaysiaputra, January 21, 2008 | 18:13:53
“Hock Sin said it was not possible for his father to have embraced Islam as he had been bedridden for the past two years after suffering a stroke”
So now is this a case of someone being Islamised by “illegal ” proxy ?. Is this how non Muslims who are ill are Islamised ? Is this why there are now more cases of non Muslims deceased being claimed as muslims ?.
If the father had become a Muslim on his own free will, I am very sure that he would have told his beloved wife who is taking care of him, that is if he can talk.
The other matter is that, isn’t the person who embrace Islam suppose to say , if I am not wrong, the Shahadah in the presence of a the Khadi or Imam ? How can this be so for someone who is bedridden without the other family members knowing if the Imam has come to the house ?.
My conclusion is that this eldest son has done some hanky panky with the help of those in the Islamic dept . Is it for the money that a convert is given every month?, is the eldest son taking this money quietly ?.
I told my muslim friends that if I were to convert to Islam because I want to please him and not because I believe in his Allah and his Prophet, then I am very sure that his Allah will reject the conversion as it is hypocrisy.
written by monstercat, January 22, 2008 | 02:27:31
Somebody suggested to video record any conversion by the Islamic dept. Good idea. The dept claimed that they have copies of certificates - that’s not enough. For such a serious matter, they should produce ORIGINALS. Even collecting govt invitation to quote also need to produce ORIGINAL FFO certificates. What about witnesses??? At least four pious and credible witnesses - 2 from the Muslim side and 2 from his previous religion side. Why only Islamic dept investigate? How credible would the result be? The non-Muslims can’t help but be VERY VERY VERY SUSPICIOUS of whatever the dept claims.
From now onwards, anyone of you who knows of anyone terminally ill - please take a video recording (camcorder or handphone) of the ill person declaring that he/she DID NOT convert to Islam! Must at least have 2 recordings!
written by fairnessforall, January 24, 2008 | 14:35:08
Why is bodowi always quiet in these matters. Didn’t he promise to look into it and come up with proper laws for coversion. How can a person convert and still live in a home that cooks pork, has an altar and even eats pork.
Proper coversions should be as follows :-
1. The family, spouse etc should be told directly in writing that the person has requested to covert.
2. A statutory declaration should be printed in the local newspapers.
3. Before conversion all previous relationships ie marriage etc should go though the civil courts to establish proper divorce proceedings and whatever alimony etc.
4. Custody of all children under 18 should be given to the non converting parent unless the non coverting parent has no objection to the coverting parent being given custody and to the coversion of the children.
5. Should the non converting parent not agree to the conversion of the underaged children, the children should remain in the religion they were born in and will be allowed to decide on their own if they wish to convert upon reaching the age of 18 years.
6. All property, assets etc obtained before the conversion should be divided equally and child support should be provided by husband irrespective of the conversion.
7. Once the person is coverted and all the above complied with, he should not be allowed to live in the same house as they maybe eating non halal food, having an altar etc and doing things which are forbidden by islam.
If the above laws are made effective, there will be no more problems where conversions are concerned. The problem is the islamic authorities are stupid dumb jerks who dont even know their own religion. All they want is the numbers, they dont care if the person is really a muslim at heart. The encourage people to lie and cheat their families and they even make it easy for those using islam as a tool to get what they want. Not that these people really care about islam. They only make use of it for their personal benefit, and yet they would not hesitate to stoop so low to cheat and lie.
This is the islam malaysia practices. Shame on all you ulama’s and kadi’s etc. You are a disgrace to your own religion
I don’t know, may be it’s time we have religion courts, each religion their own court, may be then it’ll be called fair and square.
